Experiences with Evoke / mv.NET?

Michael Heeney
New Participant
2 replies
Forum|Forum|7 months ago
April 11, 2025

Hi everyone,

We're currently evaluating Evoke by BlueFinity as a front-end solution for our MultiValue system and recently had a demo which looked quite promising. The plan is to move forward with it, but before we do, I wanted to check:

Has anyone here had hands-on experience with Evoke or mv.NET in a production environment?

Any feedback-positive or negative-regarding integration, performance, support, or limitations would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Thomas

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Thomas Ludwig
System Builder Developer
Rocket Forum Shared Account
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Hi Thomas: I've been using Evoke for both legacy and new apps for several years - exceptional product with great support. If you'd like to have a longer chat, my email is michael@groware.com - Michael

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Michael Heeney
President
GroWare
CA
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Thomas Ludwig
Author
Participating Frequently
39 replies
Forum|Forum|7 months ago
April 14, 2025

Hi Thomas: I've been using Evoke for both legacy and new apps for several years - exceptional product with great support. If you'd like to have a longer chat, my email is michael@groware.com - Michael

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Michael Heeney
President
GroWare
CA
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Thank's alot Michael for this information. This helps by our decision.

best regards

Thomas

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Thomas Ludwig
System Builder Developer
Rocket Forum Shared Account
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+1

Enrique Murphy
Participating Frequently
43 replies
Forum|Forum|7 months ago
April 14, 2025

Hi everyone,

We're currently evaluating Evoke by BlueFinity as a front-end solution for our MultiValue system and recently had a demo which looked quite promising. The plan is to move forward with it, but before we do, I wanted to check:

Has anyone here had hands-on experience with Evoke or mv.NET in a production environment?

Any feedback-positive or negative-regarding integration, performance, support, or limitations would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Thomas

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Thomas Ludwig
System Builder Developer
Rocket Forum Shared Account
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Hi Thomas, how are you doing?

The Evoke approach seems to primarily focus on developing a .Net front-end for your current MV application. In this model, your MV server primarily functions as a repository for data and existing business logic, which are left unchanged on the server. This approach raises questions about how modifications to the existing BASIC business logic or the creation of new business logic would be handled. Furthermore, consider the scenario where APIs are required to provide programmatic access for external applications or AI. It might be that a full modernization ultimately requires re-implementing the legacy business logic in .Net.

An alternative strategy involves transforming your MV application into a modern API-based system. This would entail modernizing the MV data and BASIC business logic within the MV environment itself. The resulting modernized MV application could then expose data and functionality via APIs for external applications or AI. This approach allows for flexibility in front-end development, not being limited to .Net. You could potentially utilize our web application builder, Aleph, in conjunction with various modern web frameworks like React, Angular, Django, or .Net.

This framework represents a further development of what I previously shared with you. I would be happy to provide an update or demonstration if you are interested in learning more.

Kind regards,

Enrique

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Enrique Ignacio Murphy
Software Engineer
Aleator Software - RN40 Software
Argentina
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Angel Rivas
New Participant
2 replies
Forum|Forum|7 months ago
April 14, 2025

Hi everyone,

We're currently evaluating Evoke by BlueFinity as a front-end solution for our MultiValue system and recently had a demo which looked quite promising. The plan is to move forward with it, but before we do, I wanted to check:

Has anyone here had hands-on experience with Evoke or mv.NET in a production environment?

Any feedback-positive or negative-regarding integration, performance, support, or limitations would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Thomas

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Thomas Ludwig
System Builder Developer
Rocket Forum Shared Account
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Hi Thomas

Take a look in kosday.com

Linkar and Linkar Web Services are tools that can help you connect to any MV database, either in your programming environment or by creating your own Rest Api with the authentication method of your choice.

Linkar and Linkar Web Services are tools that can help you connect to any MV database, either in your programming environment or by creating your own Rest Api:.

Linkar Server > Connect to any MV database.
Linkar Framework > To connect with .Net, .Net Core, Java, Node.js, Phyton, PHP.
Linkar Web Services > To set up your own Rest Api without code. Calling your Basic subroutines or reading records directly, with the authentication method of your choice.

I hope it helps

Angel

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Angel Rivas
Manager
Kosday Solutions, S.L.
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Thomas Ludwig
Author
Participating Frequently
39 replies
Forum|Forum|7 months ago
April 15, 2025

Hi Thomas

Take a look in kosday.com

Linkar and Linkar Web Services are tools that can help you connect to any MV database, either in your programming environment or by creating your own Rest Api with the authentication method of your choice.

Linkar and Linkar Web Services are tools that can help you connect to any MV database, either in your programming environment or by creating your own Rest Api:.

Linkar Server > Connect to any MV database.
Linkar Framework > To connect with .Net, .Net Core, Java, Node.js, Phyton, PHP.
Linkar Web Services > To set up your own Rest Api without code. Calling your Basic subroutines or reading records directly, with the authentication method of your choice.

I hope it helps

Angel

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Angel Rivas
Manager
Kosday Solutions, S.L.
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Hi Enrique, hi Angel,

Thank you both for your detailed and helpful responses! Your approaches and tools sound very interesting, especially with regard to future options and possible extensions.

I'll definitely keep in touch as our journey progresses.

Best regards,
Thomas

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Thomas Ludwig
System Builder Developer
Rocket Forum Shared Account
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+1

Enrique Murphy
Participating Frequently
43 replies
Forum|Forum|7 months ago
April 15, 2025

Hi Enrique, hi Angel,

Thank you both for your detailed and helpful responses! Your approaches and tools sound very interesting, especially with regard to future options and possible extensions.

I'll definitely keep in touch as our journey progresses.

Best regards,
Thomas

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Thomas Ludwig
System Builder Developer
Rocket Forum Shared Account
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You're welcome! If you'd like to discuss this further, please don't hesitate to email me at qmurphy@aleator.com.ar.

Viele Grüße,

Enrique

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Enrique Ignacio Murphy
Software Engineer
Aleator Software - RN40 Software
Argentina
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Doug Averch
Participating Frequently
67 replies
Forum|Forum|6 months ago
April 22, 2025

Hi everyone,

We're currently evaluating Evoke by BlueFinity as a front-end solution for our MultiValue system and recently had a demo which looked quite promising. The plan is to move forward with it, but before we do, I wanted to check:

Has anyone here had hands-on experience with Evoke or mv.NET in a production environment?

Any feedback-positive or negative-regarding integration, performance, support, or limitations would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Thomas

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Thomas Ludwig
System Builder Developer
Rocket Forum Shared Account
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When testing the product for a client, I found the startup speed was at least 500 milliseconds to a 1500 milliseconds. The forms looked like they where all one gigantic form. The HTML/JavaScript was very messy in that there was no way to easily customize what the created for you. The app designer looked like something I had seen 5 to 10 years ago on a Microsoft development platform. I could not get a simple read to perform in under 10 milliseconds like I can through UOJ. Additionally, we have client that loads 100 to 1000 items in a data table on the form. There is no way this platform could perform that in the 200 milliseconds I have done with Universe and UOJ.

Last auto-saved at: 04-22-2025 10:05

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Doug Averch
Owner
U2 Logic
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Michael Heeney
New Participant
2 replies
Forum|Forum|6 months ago
April 22, 2025

When testing the product for a client, I found the startup speed was at least 500 milliseconds to a 1500 milliseconds. The forms looked like they where all one gigantic form. The HTML/JavaScript was very messy in that there was no way to easily customize what the created for you. The app designer looked like something I had seen 5 to 10 years ago on a Microsoft development platform. I could not get a simple read to perform in under 10 milliseconds like I can through UOJ. Additionally, we have client that loads 100 to 1000 items in a data table on the form. There is no way this platform could perform that in the 200 milliseconds I have done with Universe and UOJ.

Last auto-saved at: 04-22-2025 10:05

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Doug Averch
Owner
U2 Logic
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Hi Doug:

Wondering when your experience was with Evoke.
We've been using it for over three years and while that may have been an early issue, mostly due to our inexperience, we have not found that to be an issue at all.

Michael Heeney
Groware LLC

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Douglas Owens
New Participant
2 replies
Forum|Forum|6 months ago
April 22, 2025

Hi Doug:

Wondering when your experience was with Evoke.
We've been using it for over three years and while that may have been an early issue, mostly due to our inexperience, we have not found that to be an issue at all.

Michael Heeney
Groware LLC

Hi Michael,
Our customers seem happy with the performance their systems are providing. I suppose every system is different, but we have multiple sites using BlueFinity products successfully.

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Doug Averch
Participating Frequently
67 replies
Forum|Forum|6 months ago
April 22, 2025

Hi Michael,
Our customers seem happy with the performance their systems are providing. I suppose every system is different, but we have multiple sites using BlueFinity products successfully.

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Hi Michael and Doug,

I appreciate both of your perspectives on Evoke. I agree that customer satisfaction is paramount and that different systems have different performance profiles.

I'm not one to write code just to see if it works or looks pretty. I make sure it will work, or it doesn't leave the shop, and it certainly has a state-of-the-art web interface, so aesthetics are covered.

Nonetheless, having written web code for the last 25-plus years, I've learned how important scaling is. For instance, I once wrote a system from scratch for a client with an expected user base of around 20 for their delivery business. However, a few months after implementation, the system was running an average of 100 users during the day and about 10 at night. Fortunately, scaling was always a consideration, with writes taking under 100 milliseconds and updates to multiple files ranging from 200 to 500 milliseconds under heavy load; otherwise, the client would have been very unhappy.

Universe/Unidata running on Windows with UOJ and our middleware was able to handle the load. My concern is that the product mentioned here is sold around the world like many others, but it would not last another 10 years because of the poor interface, no JSON interface that I could find, and no monitoring console to see what processes are running and how long they were taking.

Of course, my observations from 2024 might not hold today, but maybe they are correct.

Thanks,

Doug

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Doug Averch
Owner
U2 Logic
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Thomas Ludwig
Author
Participating Frequently
39 replies
Forum|Forum|6 months ago
April 23, 2025

Hi Michael and Doug,

I appreciate both of your perspectives on Evoke. I agree that customer satisfaction is paramount and that different systems have different performance profiles.

I'm not one to write code just to see if it works or looks pretty. I make sure it will work, or it doesn't leave the shop, and it certainly has a state-of-the-art web interface, so aesthetics are covered.

Nonetheless, having written web code for the last 25-plus years, I've learned how important scaling is. For instance, I once wrote a system from scratch for a client with an expected user base of around 20 for their delivery business. However, a few months after implementation, the system was running an average of 100 users during the day and about 10 at night. Fortunately, scaling was always a consideration, with writes taking under 100 milliseconds and updates to multiple files ranging from 200 to 500 milliseconds under heavy load; otherwise, the client would have been very unhappy.

Universe/Unidata running on Windows with UOJ and our middleware was able to handle the load. My concern is that the product mentioned here is sold around the world like many others, but it would not last another 10 years because of the poor interface, no JSON interface that I could find, and no monitoring console to see what processes are running and how long they were taking.

Of course, my observations from 2024 might not hold today, but maybe they are correct.

Thanks,

Doug

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Doug Averch
Owner
U2 Logic
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Hi everyone,

Thank you for sharing your opinions and experiences. I think we will definitely start with 3 developer licenses and conduct at least one POC.
What convinced me the most is the low-code / no-code concept, which allows working with relatively little code.

I'll probably share our experiences in a few months.

Best regards,
Thomas

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Thomas Ludwig
System Builder Developer
Rocket Forum Shared Account
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