We use mvBase extensively, along with Accuterm (GUI). We need to re-platform to another mv product as mvBase is EOL. We were all ready to go down the OpenQM route, then Rocket aquirred the product and all development seems to have stopped! ( We have been deliberating the move for some time.) We have looked at jBase and D3. Rocket are pushing us down the D3 the path. I don't see many posts about D3 improvements, it all appears to be Universe or Unidata.
So my question is, what would be your platform of choice if you were moving away from your current mv version, or are you happy with your current platform for the foreseeable future (5+ years).
Many thanks.
Richard Olds
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Richard Olds
Snr Developer
Calidore Computer Systems Ltd
GATESHEAD GB
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Hello,
You will be happy with both platforms. Universe seems to me to have assets by the principle of the flavor that you can adjust.
Personally, 25 years ago I made the choice of Universe, others have opted for unidata.
Anyway, both evolve together and look more and more alike. The internal engines are almost common, especially since release uv12 and now uv14.
About the learning curve, it can be high if you want to take advantage of all the benefits of the latest developments, especially in terms of 'modern' development.
Universe may be a little more advanced than Unidata for new features.
I hope this help
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Manu Fernandes
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Hello,
You will be happy with both platforms. Universe seems to me to have assets by the principle of the flavor that you can adjust.
Personally, 25 years ago I made the choice of Universe, others have opted for unidata.
Anyway, both evolve together and look more and more alike. The internal engines are almost common, especially since release uv12 and now uv14.
About the learning curve, it can be high if you want to take advantage of all the benefits of the latest developments, especially in terms of 'modern' development.
Universe may be a little more advanced than Unidata for new features.
I hope this help
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Manu Fernandes
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Thanks Manu, I appreciate your input. I think I need to repost this message in the correct forum. I posted in here by mistake.
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Richard Olds
Snr Developer
Calidore Computer Systems Ltd
GATESHEAD GB
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Thanks Manu, I appreciate your input. I think I need to repost this message in the correct forum. I posted in here by mistake.
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Richard Olds
Snr Developer
Calidore Computer Systems Ltd
GATESHEAD GB
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As a Rocket Software VAR I support both Unidata and Universe. About 10 years ago the switch was made from our base product of Unidata to Universe. Most updates no longer came to Unidata first but were revealed on Universe. Although release 12 of Universe was not a great option since a lot of updates were targeted to release 11 instead of 12, I found that release faster and more reliable. Because our software uses UniObject for Java as our middleware and is 100% web-based, it is not so tied to telnet and there is a minimum of issues because we use browser technology which gets updated every 6 to 8 weeks.
I would recommend Universe as the platform to upgrade to.
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Doug Averch
Owner
U2 Logic
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We use mvBase extensively, along with Accuterm (GUI). We need to re-platform to another mv product as mvBase is EOL. We were all ready to go down the OpenQM route, then Rocket aquirred the product and all development seems to have stopped! ( We have been deliberating the move for some time.) We have looked at jBase and D3. Rocket are pushing us down the D3 the path. I don't see many posts about D3 improvements, it all appears to be Universe or Unidata.
So my question is, what would be your platform of choice if you were moving away from your current mv version, or are you happy with your current platform for the foreseeable future (5+ years).
Many thanks.
Richard Olds
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Richard Olds
Snr Developer
Calidore Computer Systems Ltd
GATESHEAD GB
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Hi Richard,
Rocket MultiValue has a robust suite of data servers. We actively maintain all of our data servers. UniVerse, UniData, and jBASE are considered our progressive data servers and will see enhancements that are innovative and provide industry-based modernization features.
For mvBase I would recommend that you consider upgrading to jBASE or UniVerse. While D3 will continue to see some enhancements and be maintained with bug fixes there are major enhancements in the latest version of jBASE that provides the ability to upgrade from D3. This upgrade path lends itself to and upgrade to jBASE from mvBase.
Rocket MultiValue offers a powerful and continuously evolving suite of data servers designed to meet your business needs. We actively maintain all our data servers to ensure reliability, performance, and security.
Our progressive data servers-UniVerse, UniData, and jBASE-are at the forefront of innovation, receiving ongoing enhancements that drive industry-based modernization and deliver cutting-edge features.
If you're using mvBase, we highly recommend considering an upgrade to jBASE or UniVerse. These platforms offer advanced capabilities, improved scalability, and future-proof technology to support your evolving business needs.
For D3 users, while we continue to provide maintenance, bug fixes, and some enhancements, the latest version of jBASE introduces significant advancements that offer a seamless upgrade path from D3. This transition provides a natural opportunity for mvBase users to migrate to jBASE, ensuring long-term sustainability and access to modern features.
Rocket is here to assist you in identifying an upgrade path tailored to your specific needs.
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Christine Rizza
Manager, MV Product Management
Rocket Software
crizza@rocketsoftware.com
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Hi Richard,
Rocket MultiValue has a robust suite of data servers. We actively maintain all of our data servers. UniVerse, UniData, and jBASE are considered our progressive data servers and will see enhancements that are innovative and provide industry-based modernization features.
For mvBase I would recommend that you consider upgrading to jBASE or UniVerse. While D3 will continue to see some enhancements and be maintained with bug fixes there are major enhancements in the latest version of jBASE that provides the ability to upgrade from D3. This upgrade path lends itself to and upgrade to jBASE from mvBase.
Rocket MultiValue offers a powerful and continuously evolving suite of data servers designed to meet your business needs. We actively maintain all our data servers to ensure reliability, performance, and security.
Our progressive data servers-UniVerse, UniData, and jBASE-are at the forefront of innovation, receiving ongoing enhancements that drive industry-based modernization and deliver cutting-edge features.
If you're using mvBase, we highly recommend considering an upgrade to jBASE or UniVerse. These platforms offer advanced capabilities, improved scalability, and future-proof technology to support your evolving business needs.
For D3 users, while we continue to provide maintenance, bug fixes, and some enhancements, the latest version of jBASE introduces significant advancements that offer a seamless upgrade path from D3. This transition provides a natural opportunity for mvBase users to migrate to jBASE, ensuring long-term sustainability and access to modern features.
Rocket is here to assist you in identifying an upgrade path tailored to your specific needs.
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Christine Rizza
Manager, MV Product Management
Rocket Software
crizza@rocketsoftware.com
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With respect Christine, that sounds like a lot of marketing blancmange. I have not found anywhere a feature matrix for D3, JBase or the U* products, so for anyone (like the OP) wanting to make a choice it's not straight forward.
Your point about D3 is the first I've from Rocket that D3 may not receive significant enhancements in future. Would be nice to know where it stands in Rocket's long term roadmap.
OP - D3/Linux 10.4 is architectured similarly to D3/Windows in that it now uses the host filesystem, so a bit easier to deploy. Unlike the U* products, there are no file types, so you can't store your source code as individual files in a directory (and thus manage them with Git or similar). Connectivity into the DBMS works well with Java/.NET MVSP library. I think data replication with D3 Hot-Backup works a bit easier than on the U* products.
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Bryan Buchanan
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We use mvBase extensively, along with Accuterm (GUI). We need to re-platform to another mv product as mvBase is EOL. We were all ready to go down the OpenQM route, then Rocket aquirred the product and all development seems to have stopped! ( We have been deliberating the move for some time.) We have looked at jBase and D3. Rocket are pushing us down the D3 the path. I don't see many posts about D3 improvements, it all appears to be Universe or Unidata.
So my question is, what would be your platform of choice if you were moving away from your current mv version, or are you happy with your current platform for the foreseeable future (5+ years).
Many thanks.
Richard Olds
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Richard Olds
Snr Developer
Calidore Computer Systems Ltd
GATESHEAD GB
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UniVerse gets my vote
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Lance Jahnke
UAPDI
Oracle AZ US
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We use mvBase extensively, along with Accuterm (GUI). We need to re-platform to another mv product as mvBase is EOL. We were all ready to go down the OpenQM route, then Rocket aquirred the product and all development seems to have stopped! ( We have been deliberating the move for some time.) We have looked at jBase and D3. Rocket are pushing us down the D3 the path. I don't see many posts about D3 improvements, it all appears to be Universe or Unidata.
So my question is, what would be your platform of choice if you were moving away from your current mv version, or are you happy with your current platform for the foreseeable future (5+ years).
Many thanks.
Richard Olds
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Richard Olds
Snr Developer
Calidore Computer Systems Ltd
GATESHEAD GB
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Hi Richard, how are you?
My advice would be to take the opportunity of the platform migration to modernize as well, transforming your old MV application into an API-driven application with a cutting-edge web front end, to stay competitive for 5+ years.
As for the platform, I can recommend Universe. We've been using it for a long time. It is very robust and scalable, and is fully supported by Rocket MVIS, which is crucial to API and web development.
We have developed a low-code/no-code modernization framework for MV applications, the Aleph MV Framework, that I believe you saw in a demo in its early days some time ago. It has evolved a lot since then, and it has been playing a crucial role in the modernization of our large MV application. This not only preserves the investment in our main asset, but also positions it for future growth and innovation.
I would be happy to discuss how I can assist you with this challenge. Please let me know if you are interested.
Regards,
Enrique
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Enrique Ignacio Murphy
Software Engineer
Aleator Software - RN40 Software
Argentina
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Hi Richard,
Rocket MultiValue has a robust suite of data servers. We actively maintain all of our data servers. UniVerse, UniData, and jBASE are considered our progressive data servers and will see enhancements that are innovative and provide industry-based modernization features.
For mvBase I would recommend that you consider upgrading to jBASE or UniVerse. While D3 will continue to see some enhancements and be maintained with bug fixes there are major enhancements in the latest version of jBASE that provides the ability to upgrade from D3. This upgrade path lends itself to and upgrade to jBASE from mvBase.
Rocket MultiValue offers a powerful and continuously evolving suite of data servers designed to meet your business needs. We actively maintain all our data servers to ensure reliability, performance, and security.
Our progressive data servers-UniVerse, UniData, and jBASE-are at the forefront of innovation, receiving ongoing enhancements that drive industry-based modernization and deliver cutting-edge features.
If you're using mvBase, we highly recommend considering an upgrade to jBASE or UniVerse. These platforms offer advanced capabilities, improved scalability, and future-proof technology to support your evolving business needs.
For D3 users, while we continue to provide maintenance, bug fixes, and some enhancements, the latest version of jBASE introduces significant advancements that offer a seamless upgrade path from D3. This transition provides a natural opportunity for mvBase users to migrate to jBASE, ensuring long-term sustainability and access to modern features.
Rocket is here to assist you in identifying an upgrade path tailored to your specific needs.
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Christine Rizza
Manager, MV Product Management
Rocket Software
crizza@rocketsoftware.com
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Having used mvBase, D3, UniVerse, and Unidata, I agree with Christine Rizza. Out of Unidata and UniVerse you would have a considerably easier time moving to UniVerse from mvBase.
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Martin Shields
Senior Technical Consultant
Meier Business Systems PTY LTD
Carnegie VIC AU
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Hi Richard,
Rocket MultiValue has a robust suite of data servers. We actively maintain all of our data servers. UniVerse, UniData, and jBASE are considered our progressive data servers and will see enhancements that are innovative and provide industry-based modernization features.
For mvBase I would recommend that you consider upgrading to jBASE or UniVerse. While D3 will continue to see some enhancements and be maintained with bug fixes there are major enhancements in the latest version of jBASE that provides the ability to upgrade from D3. This upgrade path lends itself to and upgrade to jBASE from mvBase.
Rocket MultiValue offers a powerful and continuously evolving suite of data servers designed to meet your business needs. We actively maintain all our data servers to ensure reliability, performance, and security.
Our progressive data servers-UniVerse, UniData, and jBASE-are at the forefront of innovation, receiving ongoing enhancements that drive industry-based modernization and deliver cutting-edge features.
If you're using mvBase, we highly recommend considering an upgrade to jBASE or UniVerse. These platforms offer advanced capabilities, improved scalability, and future-proof technology to support your evolving business needs.
For D3 users, while we continue to provide maintenance, bug fixes, and some enhancements, the latest version of jBASE introduces significant advancements that offer a seamless upgrade path from D3. This transition provides a natural opportunity for mvBase users to migrate to jBASE, ensuring long-term sustainability and access to modern features.
Rocket is here to assist you in identifying an upgrade path tailored to your specific needs.
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Christine Rizza
Manager, MV Product Management
Rocket Software
crizza@rocketsoftware.com
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What are the cost implications to a VAR to move to jBase or Universe from mvBase?
Many thanks.
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Richard Olds
Director
Calidore Ltd
UK
richard@calidore.com
www.caldiore.co.uk
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