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Info/BASIC programmer from long ago. Which should I use, UNIDATA or UNVERSE?

  • April 14, 2022
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Daniel Simson
I was an Info/Basic programmer with about ten years of experience working on a PRIME 9955 system.   When Prime went out of business the college I was working for switched to Oracle and I've been working with Oracle since 1996.  
As I coast into retirement I'm interested in reviving the multi-value skills I once had.  I downloaded UNIVERSE and UNIDATA from Rockets website and started playing with it.   They seem very similar.
For those of you that were once PR1ME Info/Basic, Inform, Primos developers, which environment would you suggest I focus on, UNIVERSE or UNIDATA?
Also, is there a cheap way to get a Personal Edition (PE), single seat license?  I really don't want to develop and small or large scale systems.  I'm really interested in reviving the PICK skills I once had.
I have a copy of INFO/PC that I installed on an old Windows 98 system I recently rebuilt to play games.  INFO/PC was a cool PE system.

Thanks
Dan


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    Doug Averch
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    • April 14, 2022
    I was an Info/Basic programmer with about ten years of experience working on a PRIME 9955 system.   When Prime went out of business the college I was working for switched to Oracle and I've been working with Oracle since 1996.  
    As I coast into retirement I'm interested in reviving the multi-value skills I once had.  I downloaded UNIVERSE and UNIDATA from Rockets website and started playing with it.   They seem very similar.
    For those of you that were once PR1ME Info/Basic, Inform, Primos developers, which environment would you suggest I focus on, UNIVERSE or UNIDATA?
    Also, is there a cheap way to get a Personal Edition (PE), single seat license?  I really don't want to develop and small or large scale systems.  I'm really interested in reviving the PICK skills I once had.
    I have a copy of INFO/PC that I installed on an old Windows 98 system I recently rebuilt to play games.  INFO/PC was a cool PE system.

    Thanks
    Dan


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    Daniel Simson
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    Since I am a former Prime Information VAR, I would suggest Universe.
    Use $OPTIONS INFORMATION in your UniBasic code. 
    Use I-descriptors and D-descriptors for your dictionary types.
    There are no segdam or segsam files, you should use 64BIT and dynamic for all file types.
    Use AE in Universe and stay away from ED or use Eclipse-based editors like BDT or XLr8
    Get a one-user system that allows 10 sessions from a Rocket Software VAR

    More will come to mind, good luck and keep us informed
    Posted 04-14-2022 20:05

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    Doug Averch
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    Bill Brutzman
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    • April 14, 2022
    I was an Info/Basic programmer with about ten years of experience working on a PRIME 9955 system.   When Prime went out of business the college I was working for switched to Oracle and I've been working with Oracle since 1996.  
    As I coast into retirement I'm interested in reviving the multi-value skills I once had.  I downloaded UNIVERSE and UNIDATA from Rockets website and started playing with it.   They seem very similar.
    For those of you that were once PR1ME Info/Basic, Inform, Primos developers, which environment would you suggest I focus on, UNIVERSE or UNIDATA?
    Also, is there a cheap way to get a Personal Edition (PE), single seat license?  I really don't want to develop and small or large scale systems.  I'm really interested in reviving the PICK skills I once had.
    I have a copy of INFO/PC that I installed on an old Windows 98 system I recently rebuilt to play games.  INFO/PC was a cool PE system.

    Thanks
    Dan


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    Daniel Simson
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    I seem to remember that there is something on AWS _ costing maybe $0.10 per month.

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    Bill Brutzman
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    • April 15, 2022
    I was an Info/Basic programmer with about ten years of experience working on a PRIME 9955 system.   When Prime went out of business the college I was working for switched to Oracle and I've been working with Oracle since 1996.  
    As I coast into retirement I'm interested in reviving the multi-value skills I once had.  I downloaded UNIVERSE and UNIDATA from Rockets website and started playing with it.   They seem very similar.
    For those of you that were once PR1ME Info/Basic, Inform, Primos developers, which environment would you suggest I focus on, UNIVERSE or UNIDATA?
    Also, is there a cheap way to get a Personal Edition (PE), single seat license?  I really don't want to develop and small or large scale systems.  I'm really interested in reviving the PICK skills I once had.
    I have a copy of INFO/PC that I installed on an old Windows 98 system I recently rebuilt to play games.  INFO/PC was a cool PE system.

    Thanks
    Dan


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    Daniel Simson
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    Dan,

    Both UniVerse and UniData support many features of Pr1me Information. If you are just looking to brush up your multivalue skills you may want to take a look at OpenQm. It has many advanced features like PAN and SCROLL for Inform reports, Classes in BASIC as well as many other very cool features. It comes with a copy of Accuterm and is inexpensive as far as licensing. You can also find an old copy of the Open Source version of QM on the internet (Google ScarletDME.) 

    Jon

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    Jon Kristofferson
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    Dan,

    Both UniVerse and UniData support many features of Pr1me Information. If you are just looking to brush up your multivalue skills you may want to take a look at OpenQm. It has many advanced features like PAN and SCROLL for Inform reports, Classes in BASIC as well as many other very cool features. It comes with a copy of Accuterm and is inexpensive as far as licensing. You can also find an old copy of the Open Source version of QM on the internet (Google ScarletDME.) 

    Jon

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    Jon Kristofferson
    Pick Programmer
    Snap-on Credit LLC
    Libertyville IL US
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    This might work for you:
    http://www.thinqware.com/services_training_install_openqm.html
    Daniel Simson
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    • April 15, 2022
    Dan,

    Both UniVerse and UniData support many features of Pr1me Information. If you are just looking to brush up your multivalue skills you may want to take a look at OpenQm. It has many advanced features like PAN and SCROLL for Inform reports, Classes in BASIC as well as many other very cool features. It comes with a copy of Accuterm and is inexpensive as far as licensing. You can also find an old copy of the Open Source version of QM on the internet (Google ScarletDME.) 

    Jon

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    Jon Kristofferson
    Pick Programmer
    Snap-on Credit LLC
    Libertyville IL US
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    Jon, thanks so much for the heads up on QM.  I think this is just what I was looking for.  I always thought the PICK-MV system was the easiest, best system.  I've been working an Oracle developer for 32 years and over the years I've seen them try to do things similar to way Prime figured out years ago.   I'd like to regain the skills I had long ago and possibly do a little contract work in my retirement.
    Thanks again!

    Dan

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    Daniel Simson
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    Shawn Waldie
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    I was an Info/Basic programmer with about ten years of experience working on a PRIME 9955 system.   When Prime went out of business the college I was working for switched to Oracle and I've been working with Oracle since 1996.  
    As I coast into retirement I'm interested in reviving the multi-value skills I once had.  I downloaded UNIVERSE and UNIDATA from Rockets website and started playing with it.   They seem very similar.
    For those of you that were once PR1ME Info/Basic, Inform, Primos developers, which environment would you suggest I focus on, UNIVERSE or UNIDATA?
    Also, is there a cheap way to get a Personal Edition (PE), single seat license?  I really don't want to develop and small or large scale systems.  I'm really interested in reviving the PICK skills I once had.
    I have a copy of INFO/PC that I installed on an old Windows 98 system I recently rebuilt to play games.  INFO/PC was a cool PE system.

    Thanks
    Dan


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    Daniel Simson
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    Sorta related...

    I happened upon this a while back and it looked interesting:

    http://www.zeobase.com/

    I can't tell what the most recent update is, and development looks slow or maybe even stalled.



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    Shawn Waldie
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    Rocket Forum Shared Account
    Los Angeles CA US
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    Lance Jahnke
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    • April 15, 2022
    I was an Info/Basic programmer with about ten years of experience working on a PRIME 9955 system.   When Prime went out of business the college I was working for switched to Oracle and I've been working with Oracle since 1996.  
    As I coast into retirement I'm interested in reviving the multi-value skills I once had.  I downloaded UNIVERSE and UNIDATA from Rockets website and started playing with it.   They seem very similar.
    For those of you that were once PR1ME Info/Basic, Inform, Primos developers, which environment would you suggest I focus on, UNIVERSE or UNIDATA?
    Also, is there a cheap way to get a Personal Edition (PE), single seat license?  I really don't want to develop and small or large scale systems.  I'm really interested in reviving the PICK skills I once had.
    I have a copy of INFO/PC that I installed on an old Windows 98 system I recently rebuilt to play games.  INFO/PC was a cool PE system.

    Thanks
    Dan


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    Daniel Simson
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    With UniVerse, when creating a new account, you can select option #2 -
    Prime Information compatibility. Also, OpenQM is another option (also a
    Rocket product) that follows Prime Information compatibility but can be
    configured for Pick etc... QM is probably cheaper to license if you wanted
    to buy a single user... UV and QM run on UNIX / Linux / Windows... I've
    never worked on Unidata so I don't know about that environment.


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